CATO Podcast

We believe Tactics are a science, and the Art is in how we apply those tactics. Members of the California Association of Tactical Officers (CATO) interview a variety of guests and discuss lessons learned, the evolution of tactics, and other contemporary issues facing law enforcement.

Episode 027-Command and Control Part 2 (Practical Application)

July 9th, 2021

Marcus continues the conversation about Command and Control with Travis Norton and Kris Jenny. They discuss practical action items you can do now to reduce the friction inherent at all levels during tactical operations. Travis Norton is a Lieutenant in a Southern California agency. He is a CATO SLP 1 (Strategic Leadership Program) graduate, leads the CATO After Action Team, and teaches a variety of classes for the NTOA.  Kristofer Jenny is a Sergeant at a Northern California police agency and is part of the CATO Team Leader Teaching Cadre. He is a CATO SLP 2 graduate and was instrumental in creating CATO's Critical Incident Management for Supervisors course.

Episode 026 - Command and Control

June 25th, 2021

Marcus and Brent sit down with Ted King to discuss balancing command and control with independent decision-making through a variety of perspectives. Ted is a Lieutenant with the Bakersfield Police Department and a co-founder and managing member of Alpha Safety Solutions, a company that works with organizations and safety professionals to develop comprehensive emergency management plans based on FEMA recommendations. Ted has over 20 years of combined military and law enforcement experience, including SWAT, complex investigations, counter-terrorism, physical security, and vulnerability assessments. He earned a master's degree in emergency management and is a terrorism liaison officer program coordinator for a large municipal police department. Ted has also been a valued member of CATO for many years and graduated from CATO's Strategic Leadership Program.

Episode 025 - Workers Comp Injuries- What You Don’t Know Can Cost You Your Career

June 4th, 2021

Marcus Sprague discusses workers' compensation issues with Nick Hitch and Laura Rosenthal. They detail what you can do before, during, and after a work-related injury. Nick is a medically retired police officer from Northern California who was forced to retire after his injury was mismanaged by his agency, their insurance provider, and some of the medical folks charged with his care. Laura is a workers compensation attorney who represents first responders to ensure they get the best treatment possible, and if they can't return to work they are treated fairly by their agency and the insurer.  

Episode 024 - Strategies for Managing Demonstration Response

May 21st, 2021

Kris Jenny and Marcus Sprague sit down with Andrew, who works for a large Southern California law enforcement agency and has managed a variety of First Amendment activities. Andrew recently taught a Demonstration Response Class for CATO and we thought it would be a good time to sit down and discuss some of the key components in analyzing and developing a response to demonstrations, protests, and riots.

Episode 023 - Lessons Learned from Years of Practicing Leadership with Chief Phil Hansen

May 7th, 2021
Chief Hansen is that rare leader you can’t help but want to work for when you meet him. His combination of humility, humor, and sage wisdom not only provide lessons we can all learn from but they set the standard for what today’s leaders should embody. He has dedicated his life to the thoughtful study of leadership and serving others, and in this podcast episode he sits down with Brent and Marcus to discuss the lessons he learned over the course of his 40+ years in law enforcement.

Episode 022 - The Tactical Athlete and Quiet Professional with Rob Shaul from Mountain Tactical Athlete

April 23rd, 2021

Our latest podcast episode, The Tactical Athlete and Quiet Professional with Rob Shaul from Mountain Tactical Athlete, is now available.

In this episode, Marcus Sprague sits down with Rob Shaul, founder and president of the Mountain Tactical Institute, to discuss how Rob and his team design mission-directed fitness programs to assist tactical athletes. We talk about common pitfalls in today’s law enforcement fitness programs and some strategies you can employ today to fix them and improve your mission readiness.
We also delve into the keys to becoming a quiet professional, legal challenges to high jeopardy fitness assessments in law enforcement, and how physical fitness has proven to raise your performance level in a variety of other areas


Episode 021 - Promoting up the Ranks with Andy Borrello

March 19th, 2021

In this episode, Marcus sits down with Police Promotion Expert Andy Borrello.  Andy has helped thousands of law enforcement professionals improve their performance during the oral board process.  They discuss what executives are looking for, some of the common pitfalls to avoid, and some key things you can do to separate yourself from other candidates.  Stay tuned to the end of the episode for a generous offer for CATO podcast listeners.  We hope you enjoy the show.

Episode 020 - Building a Culture of Leadership

March 5th, 2021

Deputy Chief Jessica Nowaski discusses an intentional approach to building a culture of leadership and how making quick decisions can make us great emergency managers but can work against us when developing a culture of leadership.  She discusses some key things you can do right now to improve morale, listen more effectively and improve the culture of your unit, team or organization. 

Episode 019 - Running 4 Heroes with Zechariah Cartledge

February 19th, 2021

Marcus interviews Zechariah Cartledge, a young man who started his own non-profit, Running 4 Heroes, to raise awareness and funds for first responders who have fallen in the line of duty. But don't take our word for it, listen to this podcast episode where Zechariah explains why he runs a mile for every first responder lost throughout our nation.  To learn more about Running 4 Heroes, check out their website  Please spread the word about their great work and consider supporting this worthy cause.

Episode 018 - Police Sniper Response to a Public Venue

February 5th, 2021

CATO Training Cadre member Kris Jenny joins Marcus as they interview Tacflow Academy Instructor Mark Lang. Mark has an extensive amount of experience as a law-enforcement sniper and has trained thousands of snipers throughout the country. We discuss sniper response to public venues, aerial platform operations, and lessons Mark has learned from teaching throughout the country and serving as the sniper chair for the NTOA. You can learn more about Tacflow Academy at

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