CATO Podcast

We believe Tactics are a science, and the Art is in how we apply those tactics. Members of the California Association of Tactical Officers (CATO) interview a variety of guests and discuss lessons learned, the evolution of tactics, and other contemporary issues facing law enforcement.

Episode 011 - Concepts of Non Lethal Force with Sid Heal Part 2 of 2

October 18th, 2020

Sponsored by  National Training Concepts


In this episode, Marcus Sprague of CATO sits down with a legend in law enforcement, Sid Heal, to discuss his new book Concepts of Nonlethal Force. With decades of experience in the military and law enforcement, Sid is a bit of a mad scientist and has authored several outstanding books, most notably Field Command and Sound Doctrine. He is one of the three founders of Field Command - the creators of Tactical Science - a 40 hr class that distills the principles of conflict management taught at war college into meaningful and practical applications for law enforcement. Sid is also the former president of the National Tactical Officers Association (NTOA) and recently retired as president from the California Association of Tactical Officers (CATO).


This podcast episode is part 2 of the longest one we have recorded to date. There is a lot of content here, so hang on. Sid’s new book is a textbook for anyone who needs to understand less-lethal options, why we use them, and what their limitations are. We cover a gamut of tactical principles, including how less-lethal options effectiveness are measured and how you can successfully navigate and articulate your decisions and explain the often-graphic outcomes from those decisions.


You can pre-order Sid's new book Concepts of Nonlethal Force: Understanding Force from Shouting to Shooting on Amazon or Barnes & Noble.

I hope you get as much out of this one as I did. 

Enjoy the show!

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